while i'm glad i found this site, it has also crumbled to bits everything i've believed in my whole life.
i feel like the certainty, magic and wonder has gone out of my life.
this has left a huge hole in my soul.
Try making the decision to lead an evidence based life, going where the evidence leads.
Learn about critical thinking skills and logical fallacies (and apply it) so you develop a robust bullshit detector, this will save you from falling for BS so easily like we did when we were uber dub bible thumpers.
i haven't come across any arguement that does not involve secular history and external references.
in fact the wt can not get to 607 bce without using external sources as in knowing that they need to get back from 1914 ce to 607 bce, and botching an argument using an external date as reference to create their start point at 537 bce.. i realize that to get the final date we must provide a fixed figure from somewhere which can only be a historical source, but the objective would be to disprove the wt flim flam.
once that is achieve we can use which ever fixed historical point they wish to chose.
The WTS cant arrive at 539 (the agreed pivotal date) without relying on external "secular" sources, there is no internal absolute dating in the bible that allows anyone to date this thing, so they have to go external even for that.
Off the top of my head, there's zechariah 7: 1-5 that mentions 70 years (since the temples destruction), but it is in the reign of Darius (518) so the bible doesnt allow for it to be 607 just based on that one verse. (518 +70 = 587ish)
But as said above, cult mind control etc wont allow some jw cult drones to accept any amount of evidence.
an article in the sydney morning herald:.
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/father-denies-children-inheritance-unless-they-quit-jehovahs-witnesses-and-become-catholics-20140810-102egl.html#ixzz39yziuuvf.
"from beyond the grave, father-of-four patrick carroll continued a five-decade crusade to steer his children away from being active jehovah's witnesses and into catholicism.. mr carroll wrote into his will that his adult children were not to receive any inheritance unless they met two conditions: attend his funeral and become catholics within three months of his death.. mr carroll died in april 2012. his children attended the funeral but they did not become catholics and challenged the condition in the nsw supreme court in a bid to still receive their share of his estate.. but justice francois kunc last week ruled that mr carroll was entitled to place such conditions on his will.. the court heard that mr carroll's motivation was not so much about imposing his own beliefs but rather the fact he never approved of his children becoming jehovah's witness.. the court heard that mr carroll did not raise his children as catholics, neither he or they had attended church services when they were young and he did not enroll them in catholic schools.. but when he split from their mother lillian in 1959 she became a jehovah's witness and over the next decade the couple's four children, robyn, paulene, anthony and susan, were baptised as jehovah's witnesses.. mr carroll never approved of "their adherence to that faith", the court heard.. "[lillian's] conversion to that faith enraged mr carroll, who for the rest of his life continued to express his very strong objections to lillian's and the children's member of that faith," justice kunc said in his judgement.. the court was told that all four of his children remain active members of their congregation.. in his will, written in december 2011, four months before he died, mr carroll left more than a third of his estate to his four children "dependent upon them becoming baptised into the catholic church within a period of three months from the date of my death and such gifts are also subject to and dependent my children attending my funeral.".
I was going to leave everything to my favorite neice, but since she got baptized age 18 back in march this year she is going to get nothing.
She didnt know my intentions, so from her perspective nothing will have changed....
i'm quite new to this site, & have realised some members have a union jack symbol under their avatar.
i don't.. could we have a "show of hands" from any uk members?
i've already found several by reading older posts..
LNM i sent you a pm...
recently i was going through some of my old storage boxes and came across my 1988 copy of the watchtower issued book "revelation.
its grand climax at hand!".
as i flipped through its pages i was reminded how blinded i was in regards to rational thinking.
Thanks for that OP. Yes we had a WTF time studying that book again with all the revisions here too and I think many knew something was "off."
all my family members and friends (that include some elders) advised me to divorce my wife whose only joy was to pick up fight with me for everything i do, except my grand-mother who said: when you married her, you looked for only her good pointher regular pioneering despite having an opposing family.
for being good, you will ultimately reap something far better through her.
stick on to her.
Sparky has spoken. This thread is now closed.
all my family members and friends (that include some elders) advised me to divorce my wife whose only joy was to pick up fight with me for everything i do, except my grand-mother who said: when you married her, you looked for only her good pointher regular pioneering despite having an opposing family.
for being good, you will ultimately reap something far better through her.
stick on to her.
He's not being mocked, he's being given a shove in the direction of rational thought and reality...., clearly though there are a great many who enjoy living in pink and fluffy unicorn fantasy land and the warm and fuzzies that go with it.
all my family members and friends (that include some elders) advised me to divorce my wife whose only joy was to pick up fight with me for everything i do, except my grand-mother who said: when you married her, you looked for only her good pointher regular pioneering despite having an opposing family.
for being good, you will ultimately reap something far better through her.
stick on to her.
....It's called delusion.
all my family members and friends (that include some elders) advised me to divorce my wife whose only joy was to pick up fight with me for everything i do, except my grand-mother who said: when you married her, you looked for only her good pointher regular pioneering despite having an opposing family.
for being good, you will ultimately reap something far better through her.
stick on to her.
The only proof I see here is of your gullibility. Sorry....
watchtower 2014, november 15, page 16 .
study: "we must be holy in all our conduct".
that's all folks!.
Dont you get fed up signing off all the time with your sig and then by posting again you've just rendered it pointless? Rinse and repeat....
